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Jun. 20th, 2005 12:00 am
[identity profile] wordsofstealth.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
only have time for one dostoyevsky book (in english though)
is the Idiot better than Crime and Punishment?

Date: 2005-06-20 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisyphus.livejournal.com
better is so subjective. C&P would be the more acclaimed and famous one though. They're both full of moralizing.

Date: 2005-06-20 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ijona-tihaja.livejournal.com
On the whole, Crime and Punisment seems more gloomy. I personally like it. But it's the question of taste. And this book is more typicall for Dostoevsky.

Date: 2005-06-21 03:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Thought about the level of gloominess and how you measure it.
Started counting dead bodies and casualties.
"Idiot" - one person dead, two gone mad (including Rogozhin)
"C and P" - five people dead
Yes, CandP definitely leads! :-)

Date: 2005-06-21 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ijona-tihaja.livejournal.com
Yes, five people. Almost six, I'd say, because Lisaveta was pregnant...

Date: 2005-06-20 05:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
Depends on the units you're going to measure "better" and "worse" in :)) Seriously, I'm not at all a huge fan of Fyodor Mikhailovich (I'm rather the opposite,) but I've read both books when I was 15 or 16 and found them entertaining, though in a very special way :)

Date: 2005-06-20 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alinaf.livejournal.com
I would seriously go with Crime and Punishment as your first and maybe only Dostoyevsky book. I believe it's more representative and it left a deeper impression on me personally.

Date: 2005-06-20 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arestoktra.livejournal.com
i read both i don't know how many times. i prefer C&P. it's more easy to read and less complicated.

Date: 2005-06-20 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linnapaw.livejournal.com
Crime and Punishment! It's worth it! :) (Though, truth be told, I've not read "The Idiot", although it's been on my bookshelf for a year!)

Date: 2005-06-20 08:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] florentia.livejournal.com
I think 'Idoit' is better!
everyone reads "Crime and Punishment" at school. Idiot is nicer I think

Date: 2005-06-20 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cincinnat.livejournal.com
C&P is better, I think. 'The Possessed' are still better, though :-)

Date: 2005-06-20 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mithgol.livejournal.com
Better (if it's „Бесы“; I'm not sure)

Date: 2005-06-20 09:24 pm (UTC)

Date: 2005-06-20 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] astis.livejournal.com
Why do you peolpe read only Dostoevski? There are so many good russian writers, but you are reading that gloomy snob!

Read Bulgakov.

Date: 2005-06-20 11:15 am (UTC)

Date: 2005-06-20 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fox-c.livejournal.com
Since when is Bulgakov not gloomy?

Date: 2005-06-21 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] astis.livejournal.com
In comarison with Dostoevskiy - just a merry fellow)

Idiot

Date: 2005-06-20 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shariperkins.livejournal.com
I preferred The Idiot. It is a much more personal story than C&P, though it has its share of "great ideas" too. Plus, the character studies and relationships are fascinating -- particularly his treatment of the dynamics abusive relationships. Prince Myshkin is one of my all-time favorite characters -- right up there with Sir Percy Blakeney. Though of course he is totally different.

C&P is also a great book -- and in a way, these two novels compliment each other like bookends. Idiot is more social & interpersonal, C&P is more psychological drama.

Idiot has a magnificent miniseries which came out in 2003, which is worth seeing. Yevgeny Mironov is breathtaking as Prince Myshkin. But the subtitles are appallingly bad -- so you should be familiar with the story before viewing.

Date: 2005-06-20 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fox-c.livejournal.com
I prefer C&P to the Idiot, personally. The first half of the Idiot is really fantastic, but it goes substantially downhill from there, whereas C&P holds up better as a whole.

I prefer Dostoevsky's short stories to his longer novels, to be honest. White Nights, Notes from the Underground, the Gambler, etc.

Date: 2005-06-20 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giggle-chick.livejournal.com
i've never read the Idiot, but I've heard that the book's better if the reader is Russian or knows much of the Russian culture. just wanted to add my two cents

Date: 2005-06-20 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spiderhood.livejournal.com
C&P is more sort of classic, that's why it ends up in study programme. Idiot is more equivocal, and harder to understand it right (it is NOT a fairy tale about a saint whacko, it's much deeper than that).

Date: 2005-06-20 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missa-gorightry.livejournal.com
I liked Idiot better than C&P, and I agree that the Mironov miniseries is a must for Russophiles. But, I have to say, if you only have time for one book by FMD, Brothers Karamazov is the one I would recommend. It began my love affair with Russian lit. And Russian language. :)

Date: 2005-06-20 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moria923.livejournal.com
I really think CRIME AND PUNISHMENT is the most accessible of his novels. (Of course, I'm biased -- it's the book that turned me into a Russian lit student.)

Date: 2005-06-21 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] that-random-boy.livejournal.com
For what it's worth, it's difficult to fully appreciate The Idiot without a good knowledge base in historical Russian politics, whereas Crime and Punishment makes its appeal much more universal and definitely serves as a better example of Dostoevsky, "Отец психологического романа" (father of the psychological novel).

But I would suggest you read neither of those and go for the far superior Brothers Karamazov anyway.

Date: 2005-06-21 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schwarzer-tod.livejournal.com
Crime and Punishment was so much better. And hey, what happened to The Karamazov Brothers?
I agree with the others about other Russian authors being better. Bulgakov and Gogol', specifically.
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