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[lurid-me.livejournal.com]

Could anyone enlighten me to what the difference is between:
Вот, and Здесь?
And which one would I use in the sentance: "Here is grandmother's room."

Signed,
Confused :)

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[unlightened.livejournal.com]

"Вот" is more like "this", and "здесь" is more like "here".
Of course, you can use different variations, like mere colloquial "А здесь у нас комната бабушки" (And here we have the grandmother's room).

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

This is one of those things where I'm pretty sure I know the difference, and I'd know the difference in Russian, but its hard to describe it in English, especially since Russian doesn't use "is".

The first would be more like... if you were presenting someone with something. Like "Here you go" or "Where is the book?" "It's right here" (Где книга? Вот она).

The second refers to the location of "here". As in "I'm right here".

Now for the sentence... if you mean "here is grandmother's room" as in "this is my grandmother's room, now lets continue the tour..." I'd have to say use vot.

If it is more of a "Hey Bob, where are you?" "Here" "Where is here?" "Here is grandmother's room." Then go with zdyes'.

I hope that made some kind of sense, and that you liked my examples lol.

[abridgetoofar.livejournal.com]

It did, and I liked the examples.

[lurid-me.livejournal.com]

Thank you very much for your explination, it is much more clear to me now :)
Списибо!!

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

I'm not positive that that is how it goes though... this is just what I've gathered from connotational use of them in basic russian. And we all know how the russian langauge can take something very, very simple and complicate the hell out of it lol. Someone will read this and let me know if it was right or not lol.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

You are quite right :)

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

yay! I'm right for once in this community! lol :does happy dance:

[beltspinner.livejournal.com]

so how des the word "сюда" come in? How and when is that used?

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

I can't really answer you because I haven't seen that used nearly as often as the other two. Since I actually have some experience with those two words, I could give an answer based on a more connotational level from how i've experienced them. сюда I'm really don't have any idea about lol..

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

See below: сюда is another "here" which describes strictly direction ("to here":)))) rather than location. Сюда answers the question куда:
- Куда поставить телевизор? Сюда? (бежит по комнате с телевизором в руках) Или сюда? (бежит в другой конец комнаты)
(Where [should I] put this TV? Over here?runs accross the room with the TV in hands Or here? runs accross the room in the opposite direction)

P.S.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Oh yes, and if сюда is "this way," then туда is the opposite, "that way" :))

[alvirdimus.livejournal.com]

Сюда is something like "this way".

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Сюда deals with the direction, not the location (unlike здесь which deals with the location rather than direction.
Я здесь! I'm here!
Иди сюда! Come here!
But you cannot say (never, ever, at all :)) иди здесь or я сюда. Those two examples make a certain sense, tough, but only as brief colloquial sentences with a lot of omitted words, like:

- Ты куда сегодня?
- Я сюда. ("To where [are] you [going] today?" -- "I [am going] this way.")

- Где мне идти, чтобы не наступить в грязь?
- Иди здесь (показывает рукой). ("Where can I go to avoid stepping into dirt?" -- "Go this way." makes an explaining gesture.

This usage is very limited though. The main usage is as described in the 1st paragraph :)

[ataltane.livejournal.com]

There's a word in English with the same meaning as "Сюда", although it's (depending on where you're from) extinct and merely old-fashioned literary, or colloquial: it's hither. There's also a word corresponding to "отсюда", namely hence, which has develloped another meaning "therefore".

In fact in English you can (or could) then use the words "thither", "thence" and "there" to refer to motion to, from, or location at a place over there. And then there's a third set: "whither", "whence" and "where" referring to motion to, from and location at a questioned place.

Now, I seem to recall that Russian has words for some of these other 6 - at least the "wh-" ones anyway (well, "где" is pretty obvious). Alas, the study of Polish has destroyed most of my Russian, and I can't remember... Perhaps someone can remind me :).

In English, at least, 5 or 6 or these 9 words aren't much use to most speakers; but they always fascinated me - being able to perceive, ever since I was young, a pile of half-unused with a nice logic and pettern to them.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Yes, I have met all those words in English literature, and I could say that I understood their meaning when I've read them (mostly as an analogy with German, where all those "wohin," "heraus," herein" and "woraus" were used extensively.) Not that I could use them all by myself, with no dictionary at hand, though :))
In Russian, there's a bunch of location-and-direction adverbs (наречия места) like that:
сюда (hither)
туда (thiter)
отсюда (from here)
оттуда (from there)
здесь (here)
тут (here; those two are almost synonimous)
там (there)

Other "location adverbs" are внутри (inside,) снаружи (outside AND from outside,) изнутри(from inside,) внутрь (from outside to the inside,) наружу (from inside to the outside,) рядом (next to...,) even по соседству (literally "neighboring with...",) сверху (above) and
наверху (also above, though there'sa certain semantical difference,) внизу (below,) поверх (on top of...,) справа (on the right,) направо (to the right,) слева (on the left,) налево (to the left,) прямо (straight forward,) сзади (behind) and назад (back,) etc.etc.etc.

[ataltane.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the list of adverbs; some of them I've never seen (or only seen in other Slavic langs, not in Russian)

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, I had no time to complete the list. Maybe somebody else could?

[noser.livejournal.com]

> Perhaps someone can remind me :)

Thither (http://www.livejournal.com/community/learn_russian/229491.html) you go. :)

[ataltane.livejournal.com]

Thanks! I like :)

[alvirdimus.livejournal.com]

Funny enough, you can use both of them to translate this sentence: "Here is grandmother's room." could also be "Вот здесь комната бабушки" %)

[night1ngale.livejournal.com]

Also there is one more word - "Тут". It also similar to вот and здесь. =)

[malaya-zemlya.livejournal.com]

Вот is a pointing word. You use it when you want to show, to present, or to point out something. It refers to an object, not to a location of the object
Вот моя машина = Here is my car (you are demonstrating your new Ferrari)
Вот тебе двадцать рублей = Here are twenty roubles for you

Здесь refers to a location, a place, not an object.

Здесь моя машина = My car is here (you are explaining where you have parked)
Здесь живет моя теща = My mother-in-law lives here
Поставьте здесь подпись = Put your signature here

It also doesn't have to draw attention to something, it merely designates a location
Здесь мы уже были = We have been here already
Мне здесь очень удобно = I feel very comfortable here

Здесь might be positioned anywhere in a sentence, just like "Here", but "Вот" tends to go in the beggining.

These two cases coincide when you are talking about a place which also can be considered an object of sorts.

Здесь у нас кухня = Вот наша кухня = Here's our kitchen

There's also a word "Вон" which points to objects far away. It is related to Вот somewhat similarly to how "there" is related to "here".

Вон памятник Пушкину - Over there is a monument to Pushkin
Вон летит вертолет - There's a helicopter flying

note: As an exclamation "Вон!" also means "Get out of here!" It's pretty strong, but a bit literary.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Seconded!