[identity profile] adelaide129.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
how does one pronounce the russian word for "espionage"? i can spell it, i just can't figure out how to pronounce it!

Date: 2005-04-15 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
Шпионаж: [шпи-а-НАШ]
Разведка: [рас-ВЕД-к*]

Date: 2005-04-15 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ekeme-ndiba.livejournal.com
разведка - [rʌz'vjɛtkə]. [v] sound never causes regressive assimilation of the preceeding consonant in Russian, not to mention there are no conditions for devoicing [z] sound at all, as far as the next consonant is voiced ;-)

Date: 2005-04-15 06:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
You are right. Z is still voiced here. It's just that in a fast speech (like mine) the combination zv afects the way z sounds. However, it does not become devoiced.

Date: 2005-04-15 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kasak.livejournal.com
Sort of off-topic, but how do you get type those IPA characters into the browser? Do you just copy and paste them from somewhere else, or how?

Date: 2005-04-15 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ekeme-ndiba.livejournal.com
Yes, just old good c'n'p from charmap.

Date: 2005-04-17 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ataltane.livejournal.com
not to mention there are no conditions for devoicing [z] sound at all, as far as the next consonant is voiced ;-)

Oh? Do I misunderstand, or are you saying that [z] is never devoiced by the following consonant?

Date: 2005-04-18 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ekeme-ndiba.livejournal.com
Of course, no! My point was a) the consonant following "z" is voiced, so there are no conditions to devoice "z"; b) unlike, say, Greek, "v" and resonant sounds never cause regressive assimilation in Russian (σβησώ - zviso, свисать - svisat).

Phew!

Date: 2005-04-18 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ataltane.livejournal.com
I'm relieved.

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