[identity profile] ed-gashlycrumb.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
Could someone tell me the Russian equivalent of the word "volunteer"? I've been trying to explain this concept to some friends, and so far, they cannot understand why anyone would work without pay.

Date: 2005-01-06 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexander-p.livejournal.com
волонтер
доброволец
человек, безвозмездно выполняющий какую-либо работу

Date: 2005-01-06 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meresjeva.livejournal.com
доброволец or волонтер, depends on context

Date: 2005-01-06 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valikv.livejournal.com
how is that possible?
That's probably why this people don't understand you.
I am russian and I don't get it eather

Date: 2005-01-06 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superslayer18.livejournal.com
If you are married to someone who makes enough money to support you both, it isn't necessary to make money. Instead, you might give your time to a school or local organization to help do community service. This is just an example...

Date: 2005-01-06 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valikv.livejournal.com
My udnerstanding of "work for a living" is to work an pay bills from the compensation. But again, I am not native, so what do I know...

Date: 2005-01-06 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wingxnut18.livejournal.com
When he put it like "work for a living," I can see where you would be confused. If you "making a living" you are working towards supporting your lifestyle (paying bills, buying food, etc...). I wouldn't say it's impossible for volunteers to make a living doing what they are doing, but it's not too common. Volunteers might get free food and shelter to be close to their volunteer work, like volunteering overseas to another country.

Date: 2005-01-06 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superslayer18.livejournal.com
well technically that is how it is usually used, but it is also more like... "what I do all day" kind of thing... but not really... I don't know how to explain it well sorry lol.

Date: 2005-01-06 08:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kutsuwamushi.livejournal.com
Some very lucky people don't need to work for a living--for example, if their family has enough money to support them.

There are also charity organizations that will support their volunteers living abroad but don't pay them otherwise. I don't think that any of these are life-long jobs, though; usually, volunteers working abroad only do so for a limited time, like six months or a year.

Date: 2005-01-06 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] al-aaraaf.livejournal.com
my parents are charity workers. they basicly get $50 checks in the mail from a LARGE network of friends who believe in what they're doing, at odd intervals. doesn't pay much, but it's certainly doable. they plan on living the rest of their lives doing it.

Date: 2005-01-06 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holyschist.livejournal.com
Do you mean volunteer work as in completely unpaid, supported by spouse (which isn't doing it for a living, as the spouse is providing the living) or nonprofit work (not well paid, and similar to volunteer work in aim, but actually doing it for a living)?

Date: 2005-01-06 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zloizloi.livejournal.com
What you are explaining here, it can be translated as "работать за харчи", :) somewhat rude and informal expression. It is used in contexts of pilgrims/aides working in monasteries, vagrants working on farms, etc.

Date: 2005-01-06 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holyschist.livejournal.com
See, being paid room and board is still being paid -- that's likely where the confusion comes in. That sort of thing is sort of a fuzzy area between volunteer work and regular nonprofit, but you are still being paid a living wage (simply in room and board rather than money) -- it doesn't require you to have an outside source of income to pay for basic necessities.

Date: 2005-01-06 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meresjeva.livejournal.com
nonprofit

mostly got nothing to do with bored housewives

Date: 2005-01-06 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holyschist.livejournal.com
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

And don't knock the bored housewives -- their volunteer work keeps a lot of good organizations running (as does the volunteer work of students who also lack paying jobs).

Date: 2005-01-07 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meresjeva.livejournal.com
You can hardly respect an adult woman who lives on other person's money and does something just because she has to "pass the day", can you?

It's like being on the dole;)))

Just the dole depends on how rich the husband is;))))

Date: 2005-01-07 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holyschist.livejournal.com
Um. My mother quit her job shortly after I was born because my father persuaded her to. (He then spent the next twenty years of retirement telling us that he had earned all the money, which was not true.) She did the majority of child-rearing, all of the housework, and almost all of the cooking. Please don't tell me that's not work. My father was also retired for most of my childhood, but he didn't cook, clean, or repair anything -- he sat around in coffeeshops, disapproved of my mother's friends, and told her she wasn't really doing any work. My mother started volunteering because it was something constructive and enjoyable to do with her time once I started high school. Now that my parents are divorced, my father is drifting around mooching off his other children and my mother is using her volunteer experience on job applications.

Retirees also do a lot of volunteering -- are they lazy for retiring in the first place?

Being a housewife is hard work. And I respect someone who spends their time and energy volunteering a lot more than I respect someone who sits around sipping martinis by the pool.

You're making a lot of assumptions based on stereotypes there.

Date: 2005-01-07 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meresjeva.livejournal.com
Bingo:)

Thanks God I do not have children.

Date: 2005-01-07 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] holyschist.livejournal.com
The problem for my mother was less that she had a child than that she had a husband who wouldn't pull his weight. But I don't suppose you can comprehend that, since you're clearly rather narrow-minded.

I don't think it's worth my time replying to you further.

Date: 2005-01-06 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meresjeva.livejournal.com
доброволец
but работал добровольцем (worked as a volunteer) sounds weird in Russian - you only work when you get payed, if you're not get payed, you do not work.

трудился добровольцем sounds a bit softer

Date: 2005-01-06 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rodmonga.livejournal.com
"волонтер" means army volunteer, and the first meaning of "доброволец" is the same. You can give the example of "Red Cross volunteers".

Date: 2005-01-06 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meresjeva.livejournal.com
ok, volunteering hardly exist in Russia as a tradition - there is traditional charity (before revolution) or subbotnicks (volunteering as it is). Subbotnick is a noun, a name for a day when you've got to work for free (usually saturday=subbota).

Therefore it is a problem to translate. Please give the context:)

Date: 2005-01-06 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zloizloi.livejournal.com
That's right. It's hard enough to explain a totally alien concept in many words. Certainly, there's no adequate single term for "volunteering" in Russian.

Date: 2005-01-06 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tolangue-agess.livejournal.com
работать на общeствeнных началах
it means that the person volunteers to work someplace without being compensated monetarily

Date: 2005-01-07 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meresjeva.livejournal.com
That's probably the best one

Date: 2005-01-07 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vladon.livejournal.com
volunteer = доброволец.

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