[identity profile] quem98.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
A question for the Russians on this board:

What modern books or authors would you recommend to learners of Russian, assuming that they had a decent grasp of the language?

I'm trying to find interesting who have a good sense of modern Russian culture that don't use so many cultural references that it would go over the heads of people who aren't currently living in Russia.

Date: 2004-06-28 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
How modern do you want to get? Last 15 years? Last 60 years?

Date: 2004-06-28 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olga-mukhortova.livejournal.com
"a decent grasp of the language" - what do you mean?
please, specify the year of studing, your linquistic background

may be you had better think of adopted literature?
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Date: 2004-06-28 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nemica.livejournal.com
Studying English I've read a lot of detective stories in Engligh because of their modern but not too complicated language, a lot of slang in dialogues, and modern culture and life situations.

So I'd suggest you to do the same. Unfortunately I don't read Russian detective stories and can't recommend any authors. :(
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Date: 2004-06-29 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
Don't even try :) There's not so much sense anyway :) (I'm a native!)

Date: 2004-06-28 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orloffm.livejournal.com
I think that Dontsova's detective stories for women are just what you are looking for.

Date: 2004-06-28 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velocityb0y.livejournal.com
A related question: where can people in the U.S. find a good selection of books in Russian? Bookstores carry none that I can find (here in Florida, the only non-English books they carry are in Spanish), and amazon.ru has nothing to do with Amazon.com :-) Can anyone recommend a good online bookstore?

Thanks!

Date: 2004-06-29 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commiegirl.livejournal.com
Kniga.com! :-)

Date: 2004-06-29 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] komov.livejournal.com
Я бы посоветовал Вам небольшие рассказы современного прозаика Дана Марковича. Даю Вам ссылку на его сайт "Перископ" (http://www.periscope.ru/). Обратите внимание там на сборники "Здравствуй, Муха!" (http://www.periscope.ru/prs98_1/pr4/proza/obldan.htm), "Мамзер" (http://www.periscope.ru/prs98_2/pr4/proza/fly/content1.htm) и "Цвела сакура" (http://www.periscope.ru/prs98_4/proza/sakura.htm).
Советую посмотреть также ЛивЖурнал Image (http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=synthesizer)Михаила Бару (http://www.livejournal.com/users/synthesizer/). У него есть замечательные прозиаические миниатюры и переводы с английского небольших стихотворений хайку.
Посмотрите также прозу Александра Хургина (http://www.litera.ru/slova/khurgin/). Есть еще журнал петербургского прозаика Image (http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=maccolit)Александра Житинского (http://www.livejournal.com/users/maccolit/). Он известен также, как издатель современной литературы, и часто анонсирует новые книги.

Date: 2004-06-29 07:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
I would love to remind that the working language of this community is English. It's OK to answer in Russian, BUT you are expected to provide an English translation as well. Most of those who Learn Russian here are on a very earle stage of their study, so it's simply polite!

Date: 2004-06-29 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] komov.livejournal.com
You are correct of course, sorry for my only in Russian answer. I put below my response in English.

I would like to propose You the little stories of modern Russian writer Dan Markovich. This is the link to him personnel site "Periscope" (http://www.periscope.ru/). Look at the collections "Zdravstvuy, Muha!" (http://www.periscope.ru/prs98_1/pr4/proza/obldan.htm) (Hello, fly!), "Mamzer" (http://www.periscope.ru/prs98_2/pr4/proza/fly/content1.htm) (Illegitimate), "Tsvela sakura" (http://www.periscope.ru/prs98_4/proza/sakura.htm) (The sakura was flowering).
I propose too the LiveJournal of Image (http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=synthesiser)Michel Baru (http://www.livejournal.com/users/synthesiser/). He write wonderful prosaic miniatures and translate form English the little poems haiku.
Look also the prose of Alexander Hurgin (http://www.litera.ru/slova/khurgin/) and LJ of well-noun Petersburg's writer and editor of modern literature Image (http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=maccolit)Alexander Zitinsky (http://www.livejournal.com/users/maccolit/), who frequently announce the new books.

Date: 2004-06-29 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
If you dig sci fi / fantasy, try Sergey Lukianenko (Сергей Лукьяненко) - he is relatively understandable AND quite modern. Try this (http://www.lib.ru/LUKXQN/lknkmpnt.txt) short story to try.

Date: 2004-06-29 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nemica.livejournal.com
Lukianenko must die! :O

:D Really, I wouldn't recommend the author. Maybe Oleg Divov or Lazarchuk, but definitely not Luka.

Date: 2004-06-29 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
The question was not about how good or bad the author is, but about how understandable for a non-native reader his texts are. This community is Learn Russian, not Sci Fi Critics Forum. And nobody must die only because somebody do not like his writing.

That - Was - A - Joke!

Date: 2004-06-29 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nemica.livejournal.com
And anyway I have no gun. :/

So, dear Lukianenko, live long and prosper! And forget about sci-fi.

Date: 2004-06-29 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
His last name is Ukrainian but he is originally from Kazakhstan. Nevermind. With those Russians you never know ;)

Date: 2004-06-29 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pgmatg.livejournal.com
The only thing I can think of that might be interesting is Perumov (www.perumov.com)'s books.
Also you might want to check out lib.ru modern favorites section

Date: 2004-06-29 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nemica.livejournal.com
It seems to me that it's not too easy to read about all these "мечи", "поножи", "магические свитки" etc. And besides you don't need such the words in modern life.

Date: 2004-06-29 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pgmatg.livejournal.com
Current (Modern) Russian is a dumbed down version of what was commonly used version 15-20 years ago. And "меч" is as current a word as "пистолет".
And if you really want modern language read "Аргументы и факты" or some other newspaper:
http://www.geocities.com/rusatg/search.htm

I'm just curious...

Date: 2004-07-01 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nemica.livejournal.com
What words do you use and hear more often, "мобильник", "сидюк", "калаш" or "кинжал", "стремена", "шоры", "харчевня"?

Re: I'm just curious...

Date: 2004-07-02 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pgmatg.livejournal.com
First 3 are a part of a garbage jargon, learning those for someone who does not live in Russia is pointless, because it will disappear fairly soon or be replaced by something else, while the actual names will stay. And I do not hear or use those. Next 2 I do use and hear from others. As to the last 2, those are not as obsolete as you think, though more used in Ukraine.

Re: I'm just curious...

Date: 2004-07-04 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nemica.livejournal.com
What is "the actual name" for мобильник? You can say мобильный and сотовый. The words could only disappear together with mobile phones.

And anyway, if one is going to read modern Russian books, he would meet "the garbage jargon" on every second page. Reading English and American books I found out a lot of slang words and phrases.

Date: 2004-06-30 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mark-ars.livejournal.com
Дмитрий Горчев
Dmitry Gorchev
Very popular in narrow people`s circle ;)
modern, richly endowed nature, intresting- and-easy-to-reading....
in Internet you can find it here [livejournal.com profile] dimkin
NB - he use in text dirty rissian word sometimes.
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