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[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

Hey guys, just a quick question for you.

How do you express the idea "____ for the sake of ______".  Like "punishment for the sake of punishment" or "punishment for punishment's sake"?  The specific phrase I'm looking for is "bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake".  I'm sure a samyi goes in there somewhere, but I'm not quite sure.

Thanks!

Comments

[mutant-lestat.livejournal.com]

бюрократия ради бюрократии

[ex-ei-gde-t.livejournal.com]

+1

[elwen-tindomiel.livejournal.com]

+1

[miram.livejournal.com]

искусство для искусства
наказание ради наказания
бюрократия во имя бюрократии

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

Thanks a lot! Just to be sure, is the below sentence acceptable:

"Во-вторых, я считаю бюрократию ради бюрократии одним из самых бесполезных концепций на свете."

[sol-diesi.livejournal.com]

одной из самых бесполезных

[pinky-the-cow.livejournal.com]

Eh? Has anyone ever proclaimed to pursue or admitted to pursuing the goal of bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy?

[oksanaya.livejournal.com]

может быть "око за око"

[oryx_and_crake]

This does not fit at all.

[taurvat.livejournal.com]

There is not even a word about "proclaiming" the idea of bureaucrazy for the sake of it. Yet it is often the case *)

[mikhist.livejournal.com]

Actually you were quite right! "Сам" really fits here: бюрократия ради самой бюрократии (bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy itself ); искусство ради самого искусства (art for the sake of the art itself); here "сам" serves to make a statement even stronger.