[identity profile] xxblackxsatinxx.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
Now that I'm done all my first semester classes and have some time to breath. I wanted to take this time to say Большое Спасибо for all the help everyone has given me. :)

I know, sometimes my questions may seem a little ridiculous or as if the answer is quite simple, but you have all helped me a great deal in furthering my vocabulary and knowledge in Russian beyond what my professor teaches in the classroom.

I've also had a few people contact me and offer their help, and I'm extremely grateful for that! You have no idea how heart warming it is to have someone go out of their way to offer you help. It's reassuring.

So, I'm taking this time to wish you all a Счастлйвого Рождества! (Hopefully, my Collins Dictionary hasn't lead me wrong in saying this..)

And also, С Новый годом! It has yet to happen, but my intentions are there. :p I'll probably forget by them.

I know that in Russia you celebrate Christmas on the 7th of January, if I'm not mistaken, correct?

I really want to hear about some of your traditions or special meals.. or if anyone has some special recipe they're willing to share! I'm looking to having some cooking and baking experiments during my time off and I actually might have a mini Christmas of my own on the 7th. I really want to immerse myself in the Russian culture.. soo please, share with me! :D

Date: 2008-12-05 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cassandraclue.livejournal.com
New Year's is the big deal holiday with the gifts and the trees and Easter is the big Orthodox religious holiday. New Year's is more analogous to the secular, English-speaking world idea of Christmas.

Date: 2008-12-05 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pigmeich.livejournal.com
«Спасибо большое» is inversion. While enclosed with a sentence you should use "большое спасибо".

Счастливого Рождества!

> I really want to hear about some of your traditions or special meals.. or if anyone has some special recipe they're willing to share! I'm looking to having some cooking and baking experiments during my time off and I actually might have a mini Christmas of my own on the 7th. I really want to immerse myself in the Russian culture.. soo please, share with me! :D

In nowadays Russian culture only meal you can find is "салат Оливье".

Date: 2008-12-05 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icamel.livejournal.com
It is russian salad. In comes from salad invented by Lucien Olivier while he was working in Moscow restaurant he owned.

Date: 2008-12-05 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icamel.livejournal.com
There is no other single traditional and special for New Year meal.

Date: 2008-12-05 02:07 am (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
The problem is that over the 70 years of the Soviet regime the celebration of all the religious holidays including Christmas was strongly discouraged and most traditions related to it were lost. Maybe this is for the better because Christmas and Easter should be about Christ, and not about foods and drinks.

Anyway, people told you about the New Year already, and here are some Christmas-related things:
- Russian Orthodox church observes a 40-day lenten period before Christmas. Give up your animal food (meat, dairy) and entertainment.
- On the day before Christmas (сочельник) don't eat anything until the first star appears. Then you can have a lenten meal. The traditional dish is сочиво (a kind of cereal with poppyseed and raisins, here are some recipes http://pismena.ru/2004/st-rozhdestvo-sochivo.htm).
- Then go to church for Christmas service.

Date: 2008-12-05 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mortimer-ford.livejournal.com
I think that I will not be going to Russia for Christmas.

Date: 2008-12-05 02:21 am (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Don't worry, 95% of the people do not observe any of this. Christmas is mostly another pretext for making a lavish meal and having a state holiday (as far as I know, no one works from Jan.1 to Jan.10 or so).

Date: 2008-12-05 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shimshoni.livejournal.com
If you want to celebrate Russian New Year - leave your Christmas Tree until December 31st, buy the cheapest Champagne and some red caviar, and start drinking and eating exactly at midnight December 31:) Don't forget about the Olivie salad - yep!
no kidding:)
Also you may find in the web the sound of the main Russian Kremlin Clocks (it's called Куранты) and listen to them at midnight. While the Kuranty bells at midnight twelve times - make a wish!:)

sorry, my English needs some help too))

Date: 2008-12-05 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] g-kar.livejournal.com
There is almost dead (at least here in Moscow) tradition of "колядование". As Wikipedia describes it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koleda): "...tradition of strolling, singing, and having fun on Christmas Eve, same in the Balkan Slavs. It specifically applies to children and teens who walk house to house greeting people, singing and sifting grain that denotes the best wishes and receiving candy and small money in return."

Date: 2008-12-05 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shimshoni.livejournal.com
and don't forget about Russian Santa, Ded Moroz - he brings his presents not December, 25th, not January, 7th, but exactly 12am January 1st (it's in Russia called 24.00 o'clock December, 31:)

Date: 2008-12-05 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] g-kar.livejournal.com
Sadly the are no really popular special Christmas meals or traditions after 70 years of communist rule. Some people go to church, many others just have some kind of "another New Year dinner, but smaller" - but nothing really special.

However it's possible to find out some stuff about celebrations in the Czarist Russia by googling "рождество в дореволюционной России" if you're interested in the topic.

Date: 2008-12-05 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alisa-igorevna.livejournal.com
Kolydovanie is not dead in Russia! Some children are going with Cristmas songs to neighbouring houses and asking candies and money :)

Date: 2008-12-05 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alisa-igorevna.livejournal.com
russian Ded Moroz always coming with young girl called Snegurochka. Melanie, you can try to be Snegurochka in New Year :) Find your Ded Moroz, buy champagne, make "Olivie" salad (boiled potato, eggs, carrot, chicken, green peas, marinated cucumbers and mayonnase) and enjoy! :)

Date: 2008-12-05 06:00 am (UTC)
alon_68: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alon_68
More correct, С Новым годом. The adjective must be in the same case as noun.

Date: 2008-12-05 06:06 am (UTC)
alon_68: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alon_68
The Russian "Christmas" (better to say, "New Year") Tree usually stays far after December 31, at least till January 14 that corresponds to January 1 in the old "Julian" style calendar and has somehow odd name "Old New Year" in Russia :)

And some people tend to leave the New Year Tree even after this.

Date: 2008-12-05 06:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alon_68
AFAIK, the state holidays are from New Year till Orthodox Christmas (January 1-7). The pretext is that most of people will not work anyway these days :)

Date: 2008-12-05 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] temniy-mu.livejournal.com
ah! Bless!.. Isn't it sad that so many of you have nothing to eat let alone cooking a real gourmet stuff. poor, poor post-soviet generation lol

or maybe lot of you should learn how to cook, innit? )

Date: 2008-12-05 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] g-kar.livejournal.com
It's nice that some people still continue this tradition :)

Date: 2008-12-05 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] g-kar.livejournal.com
It's not about absense of food or inadequate cooking skills :)
It's about lack of Christmas traditions in modern Russian society due to long period of anti-religious actions and propaganda, that's all.

Date: 2008-12-05 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] towarysc.livejournal.com
And what about the President's appeal to the nation? And you forgot about the petards or primitive fireworks blasting in the New Year night:)

Date: 2008-12-05 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] temniy-mu.livejournal.com
There was not any more necessity for anti-religious actions than for, to say, interdict walking naked in the streets of moscow in winter.
there's no a heck of a lot more of necessity for 'traditions' recovery today, i mean -what it's now - russians are just having that feudalism reanimated.

Date: 2008-12-05 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shimshoni.livejournal.com
yep! totaly forgot! you are right!:)

Date: 2008-12-05 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wondershot.livejournal.com
That sounds a little bit like Christmas caroling :)

Date: 2008-12-05 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wondershot.livejournal.com
I think traditions are a little bit more than mere feudalism.

Date: 2008-12-05 10:41 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
it is Christmas Lent (рождественский пост), as opposed to the Great Lent (Великий пост)

Date: 2008-12-05 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] temniy-mu.livejournal.com
so what are they about?

Date: 2008-12-06 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wondershot.livejournal.com
If you have to ask, you'll never know.

Date: 2008-12-06 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] temniy-mu.livejournal.com
i know. you claim, innit

take this with salt

Date: 2008-12-06 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordchick.livejournal.com
I live in Ukraine, which has its own branch of Orthodoxy. That said, many people here follow the Russian branch, and observe this supper (http://russian-crafts.com/customs/christmas.html) tradition.

I've also been told that Orthodoxy had a healthier existence in villages during Soviet times, because the authorities were less concerned/present, so you might find such customs still flourishing in more rural areas. I can't state that, but that's my guess.

Re: take this with salt

Date: 2008-12-09 07:02 am (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
>>I live in Ukraine, which has its own branch of Orthodoxy.
Not exactly. Theologically, Russian Orthodoxy is no different from Ukrainian Orthodoxy (if you don't mean Uniates who are not Orthodox at all, they are Catholic).

Re: take this with salt

Date: 2008-12-09 07:09 am (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
BTW the contents of the link you give are very strange; I don't believe it is written by someone who really knows what they are talking about.

It comes to us from Elizabeth Kontras, who celebrated the Feast of the Nativity in the traditional Russian way with her babishka (Grandmother) and zeddo (Grandfather) in Monessen, Pennsylvania until their passing in the 1970-1980's. The twelve foods are:

1) Mushroom soup with zaprashka; this is often replaced with Sauerkraut soup
2) Lenten bread ("pagach")
3) Grated garlic
4) Bowl of honey
5) Baked cod
6) Fresh Apricots, Oranges, Figs and Dates
(...)
10) Parsley Potatoes (boiled new potatoes with chopped parsley and margarine)


"zaprashka", "zeddo" are not even Russian words. Also, I find it extremely improbable that a traditional peasant dinner in Ukraine or Russia, in midwinter, no matter how festive, would include fresh (!) apricots, figs and dates. Ditto the new potatoes. And so on. This is only possible if you have modern supermarkets with fridges.

Re: take this with salt

Date: 2008-12-09 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordchick.livejournal.com
Sorry, you're absolutely right. I wasn't paying close attention and assumed any differences in the makeup of the twelve dishes was due to cultural differences. Here is a more familiar list of dishes, which, though not necessarily Russian, sound tasty, realistic and could be used by the OP.
http://pages.prodigy.net/l.hodges/xmas.htm

As for Orthodoxy- do you mean that because the Ukrainian and Russian Orthodox churches hold to the same beliefs, they can be considered the same within Greater Christianity? I don't understand the situation terribly well, but I know that the three groups within Ukraine differentiate between themselves. (Sorry if this is off-topic)

Re: take this with salt

Date: 2008-12-09 05:55 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Members of Orthodox churches can take the communion with each other if there is no theological difference between the churches. This is called евхаристическое общение (I could not find English term in a dictionary). I am not sure what three groups you are talking about (I know only two) but if the third one is Uniates, they are not Orthodox but Catholic.

Re: take this with salt

Date: 2008-12-10 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordchick.livejournal.com
I think we call it 'full communion.' It's really interesting to see how distinct Orthodox churches are from each other. I had always thought that Orthodoxy functioned more like Roman Catholicism; if a church is not a member in good standing, it follows that they are not a part of the whole. I realize that the RC church does actually have full communion with the Eastern Catholic churches, but they are rarely mentioned.

The ones I am thinking of are the Ukrainian Orthodox Churches of Moscow Patriarchate and Kiev Patriarchate and the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church. I know nothing about how they differ from each other, but I believe none of them is Catholic.

Re: take this with salt

Date: 2008-12-10 07:38 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
No, none of the three is Catholic. As to full communion, the picture in Orthodoxy is more complicated as there are several groups each of which considers themselves to be the only true Orthodoxy and all the other groups heretics, apostates or schismatics. Anyway, I think this is really an off-topic.

Sounds dood

Date: 2009-06-27 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grgifts.livejournal.com
Olivie salad always sounds great for Russian New Year eve celebration, and not just for the New Year, but for any celebration. Russian pelmeni (ground beef wrapped into the flat pieces of homemade dough) is another traditional dish that goes well with any Russian celebration. Here is a collection of the most traditional Russian recipes:
http://www.greatrussiangifts.com/servlet/Page?template=RussianRecipesIndex if interested.

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