Stresses

[malim-praedari.livejournal.com]

This exchange has made me wonder: do the students of Russian on this community find stress marks in the examples that we native speakers give helpful? What if it's a discussion at an advanced level, where all the participants presumably already know Russian well enough to figure out the stresses? My take is, beginner and intermediate students may be reading those, too, so the stress marks could still be handy. Frankly, I don't see much of a downside to putting them everywhere. I'd like to know your opinion, though.

Also, do you find one style of marking the stresses more "user-friendly" than others (e.g., Upper cAse, or apo'strophe, or diacrítics)?

Comments

[nadyezhda.livejournal.com]

yes, please, to stress marks (though for me I skim over the ones I already know). I prefer diacritics though in their absence would prefer capital letters.

[archaicos.livejournal.com]

I think the stress is very useful but not critical.
I don't know the proper stress in some words either. And I'm a native speaker. :)

[desgraciado.livejournal.com]

I prefer having stress marked, though at this point I feel pretty confident in my ability to figure out the stress. I'm used to diacritics, so that's what I prefer.

[drivebyluna.livejournal.com]

I find them helpful as I tend to mispronounce words all the freaking time.

[lady-of-the-sea.livejournal.com]

I quite prefer having the stresses, because even as an "advanced +" student at a good university my opportunities for listening and practice with the inflections of the language are still very scarce. I find it incredibly helpful :)

[crimeanelf.livejournal.com]

BTW, since we're talking about stress marks. Is there a way to put them in LJ? I have no problems in TeX, but I don't know how to do it in html, and in particular, in LJ. Thanks.

[melsmarsh.livejournal.com]

Please keep the stresses.

apo'strophes do it for me.

[miconazole.livejournal.com]

Definitely! I learn mostly from reading and I'm often not sure where the stress is supposed to go.

Capitalisation and diacritics are both good. Apostrophes look like Klingon. Though if diacritics don't display properly for everyone they should probably be avoided.

[malim-praedari.livejournal.com]

I use the ́ HTML character and it's great because it allows you to put a stress over any letter. Unfortunately, it's buggy. In some browsers it puts the stress mark over the letter following the one you want to stress.

Example: мы́ло (coded like this: мы́ло). Depending on what browser you use, the stress will appear either over "ы" or over "л". I hope the problem goes away in a couple of years when different browser makers agree on a single standard.

[malim-praedari.livejournal.com]

I know. And some words that I thought clear and uncontroversial turn out to have dictionary-recommended norm completely at variance with what I expected. For example, "включит" and "включим". I have always heard these stressed on the first syllable, but it turns out that's wrong.

[crimeanelf.livejournal.com]

Thanks a lot!

[virha.livejournal.com]

это даже так в советской типографии было
книги, что печатались на вынос, были с ударениями и с точками над е, где ё

не знаю как теперь в ерефии принято, и принято ли вообще

[oryx_and_crake]

I have to remind that the working language of this community is English. Thank you.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_christine/]

I totally understand the argument that for advanced questions, it may not be as necessary... but as a less than advanced learner, I learn from their questions so the stresses help me. (I prEfer Upper cAse ;D)

[eisenheim.livejournal.com]

It is very useful to me and I am happy you guys mark the stress. It makes me more confident to say it out loud as I haven't heard a native speaker say the words, phrases ect.

Thanks!

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

I'm indifferent (actually, I sometimes find them cumbersome and unnecessary, but it might be helpful for other people). However, in the exchange that you gave, they appeared over the consonants which, as far as I'm concerned, is more confusing that anything else... if a consonant is surrounded by 2 vowels, and assuming I don't already know how the word should be pronounced, I think this would be really confusing. Also, stress rules are great for words in isolation, but things change when words are used in sentences (not where the word itself is stressed, but how stressed it is as opposed to other words in the sentence), and I think this could hurt people's fluency if they tried to read everything adding equal stress...

[virha.livejournal.com]

sorry, my english is not that fluent
and i thought it will be better to say what i had to say in russian

i didn't knew it's not common, really. and i won't do it again, i promise ))

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

That's what I was saying in the initial exchange - using HTML diacritics is quite buggy, so nearly every IE7 user sees them over the consonants, which does not make much sense.

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

I use firefox 3, actually, so it might be even worse than just that!

[philena.livejournal.com]

Please, please, please mark stress! I once showed a native Russian speaker a word that was not particularly common (I pulled it out of a dictionary), and she didn't know it and got the stress wrong herself. There is no reliable pattern to stresses that I can figure out, and any time I start thinking I'm getting it down I make embarrassing mistakes.

I can understand any method of marking stress, but I prefer diacritics. I haven't had any problems seeing the stresses over the wrong letters.

[lyovchik.livejournal.com]

I don't know what kind of IE7 do you use, but my IE7 displays diacritics pretty well.
As well as Opera 9.50, Firefox 3 and Google Chrome.
I believe it depends on system fonts rather than particular browser you use.

P.S. My system is WinXP SP2

Yes to stress marks

[6-02x10e23.livejournal.com]

Yes, please! I need all the help I can get- and I like the uppercase letters to indicate it.