[identity profile] upthera44.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
Ok, and one more quick one.

Hа pyбли поменяю билет,
Отpастить бы до самых до плеч
Я никогда не веpнyсь Домой

I'm having difficulty translating the line "Отpастить бы до самых до плеч".

Date: 2007-11-09 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moor-i-arthy.livejournal.com
to raise up to shoulders

Date: 2007-11-09 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acuzena.livejournal.com
I'd like to grow my hair up to the shoulders.

Date: 2007-11-09 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thespinningone.livejournal.com
i wish i could grow [my hair] up to the shoulders..

Date: 2007-11-09 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1-randomplay.livejournal.com
Zemfira's lyrics are often contain mind-freezing and/or senseless issues...

Date: 2007-11-09 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
I don't see anything senseless here. It's poetry, you know. Images, allusions. ;-)

Date: 2007-11-09 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1-randomplay.livejournal.com
...delusions, heavy drugs, dementia...

Date: 2007-11-09 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
Same way you can judge William Blake. And allusions have nothing to do with delusions except the rhyme. =)

Anyway, give a line from Zemfira's songs and I'll tell you how to interpret it. Can be senseless for you but very clear for others. As for drugs, who cares - we speak about meanings, not about healthy way of life here.

Date: 2007-11-09 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1-randomplay.livejournal.com
Pushkin is poetry. Lermontov...

Date: 2007-11-09 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
If Pushkin is poetry that doesn't mean that lyrics of rock singers is not. I think it's a simple fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poetry

Anyway, as you see other people have no difficulties in explaining lyrics here. So if you think something is senseless, say "it's senseless for me" not to disguide other people. Moreover this topic is not for describing personal tastes but to help non-native speakers with understanding. Keep that in mind.

Date: 2007-11-09 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1-randomplay.livejournal.com
Well, for the first time in my life I've met a translator from stupidity to the kinds of sense. Congrats! :)

Any way, this is not a case to argue on, due totally different perception
I have nothing to do with her messages, whatever they mean

I like her music though...

Date: 2007-11-09 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1-randomplay.livejournal.com
Please abstain from telling other people what to do, or what to say, is case if you don't want to learn where to go...

Thanks

Date: 2007-11-09 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
I ask moderators of this community to delete flood and non-relating posts from this thread.

Date: 2007-11-09 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
When speaking on "stupidity", what do you think about Faulkner's and Joice's streams of consciousness? Have you read last 50 pages of Ulysses? I bet it'll be stupidity for you. =)

And there is not a point of perception. Just say "senseless for me", not just senseless. Then it's fine.

Date: 2007-11-09 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
I am telling you the last time in case you have difficulties in understanding English. This community is intended to help people in learning Russian. If you wanna find a forum to criticize some singers or enjoy some flood - find yourself another place.

"Иногда лучше жевать, чем говорить".

Date: 2007-11-11 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luthiele.livejournal.com
Also notice that this construction "до самых до" (with all iossible variants, e.g. "до самой до", "до самого до") is emphatic and belongs to the colloquial style. So more exact translation would be: "I wish I could grow [my hair] to the _very_ shoulders".

Date: 2007-11-12 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
Well, posters are responsible for what they post, aren't they? If you do not like what you write, feel free to delete it -- LJ generously provides you with this option.

Date: 2007-11-12 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1-randomplay.livejournal.com
First. I tried to show that it is difficult to foreigner to understand a kinds of "allusions". Just to advise him not to waste time breaking his head. But it is not that important than second one.

А во-вторых - гуляй лесом. Учить он меня будет, гуру великий. Иди самоутверждайся перед своей мамой, если в 32 года ещё детство в ж..е играет

Date: 2007-11-12 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
I seriously doubt that, taking into consideration the rhymes to "allusions" created by your subconscious. Moreover, the working environment of this community is English. Using your mother tongue in order to write some insulting lines looks very sad and shows that you have nothing to say on the topic. Usually in that case people try to say something about their opponent in discussion. Typical. ;--)

Date: 2007-11-12 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1-randomplay.livejournal.com
Yes, this is quite typical - to shift from sick head to healthy. Unfo, dunno English analogue. However, sapienti sat.

If what I said before, is not enough for you - I can't help you, sorry. Try to think, maybe it will be helpful

To show yourself up as mentor, or kinda guru, you should at least change your behaviour. Then it'll be never necessary for you to count insults.

Date: 2007-11-13 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
Yap, thank you. And you being a moderator also feel free to delete offensive posts here to keep it clean. Don't be shy. ;--)

I am talking about posts like "А во-вторых - гуляй лесом. Учить он меня будет, гуру великий. Иди самоутверждайся перед своей мамой, если в 32 года ещё детство в ж..е играет" for example. A bit above this one.

Date: 2007-11-13 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
2. Abusive posts and comments will be deleted, and their authors banned from the community without warning. (community rules)

Guess, we won't see you again, my friend. Good luck. Oh, and work on your character. It's unacceptable to be such a touchy girlie at your age. Shame on you, hehe. =))

Date: 2007-12-05 06:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
I am sorry I did not see that earlier. Your posting is in violation of two community rules at once: posting in Russian and rudeness to community members. I will not do anything about it now as considerable time has passed, but I will keep an eye on you from now on, and in case of another violation you will be banned.

Date: 2007-12-05 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1-randomplay.livejournal.com
it's ok with me
please keep an eye not only on rudeness but also on reasons/people who forced that
thank you
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