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[identity profile] kutsuwamushi.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
My Russian is slipping terribly because I haven't been using it. I need to continue studying, and I think that focusing on vocabulary will be the most useful for me.

How do you choose *which* vocabulary to study?

I don't want to just translate news articles, because that isn't the kind of language that one is going to hear in casual conversation. Likewise, simply opening a dictionary and picking words at random won't direct me to the words I should *focus* on.

Are there any books like "essential Russian vocabulary" or whatnot?

Date: 2005-11-03 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-ex-mmnd9.livejournal.com
read Russian livejournals :)

Date: 2005-11-03 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kehlen-crow.livejournal.com
Or the russian translation of Harry Potter (seriously, I'm reading the french one and it helps a lot :) )

Date: 2005-11-03 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moa1918.livejournal.com
I usually study language from books I like to read. But that is not very good, because I like to read historical fiction. So the vocabulary is not so useful. But maybe it would be useful to read books set in the present. Maybe you could use movies? They usually have dialogue, which is conversation, at least. :p
Moa

Date: 2005-11-03 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] russiandude.livejournal.com
You can always read "trashy" russian novels. The vocab is usually the kind of stuff that any average person would/should know.

Date: 2005-11-03 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] russiandude.livejournal.com
Sorry LJ messed up my previous comments...
http://www.petropol.com/ - In russian, but seems to have generally popular books.

http://www.ruskniga.com/ - Perhaps some magazines/newspapers would be helpful?

http://www.bolero.ru - These guys are actually in russia, though they should ship to the US. You are likely better off with the above two links.

Date: 2005-11-03 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svyatogor.livejournal.com
please, don't follow this advice :) first of all most of LJ slang can't be translated, secodly...well, 'normal' people won't understand it.

Date: 2005-11-03 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheetr.livejournal.com
you can find some on amazon by searching the tranliterated phrase garri potter.

Date: 2005-11-03 01:46 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
www.lib.ru - all kinds of books
http://www.lib.ru/PROZA/ - contemporary Russian authors
http://www.lib.ru/RUSS_DETEKTIW/ - detective stories. Unfortunately, they don't classify them into thrillers, suspense novels and ladies' crime, but here are some that I like (the language is not too, er, complicated, and at the same time not too horrible to read, having some plot, etc.):
http://www.lib.ru/RUSS_DETEKTIW/PEWZNER/
http://det.lib.ru/k/kljuewa_w/
http://www.lib.ru/RUSS_DETEKTIW/LAWROWY/


Date: 2005-11-03 01:47 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
You can also find many books here http://www.lib.aldebaran.ru/
especially under Любовные романы.

Date: 2005-11-03 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kehlen-crow.livejournal.com
That depends. If she is interested in slang too.
And nobody refuses to explain it ;)

Date: 2005-11-03 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fox-c.livejournal.com
What counts as "trashy"? Any particular authors?

Date: 2005-11-03 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fox-c.livejournal.com
I second this! I've been working my way through them recently too.

Date: 2005-11-03 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kart.livejournal.com
Apparently some foreign politician apparently used the word готично during a recent Russian visit. I searched for the article but couldn't find it. Maybe it was the Canadian prime minister? Not sure...

Anyway, maybe ЖЖ-slang is not as original as it seems:
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( Seriously though, stick to proper grammar :)

Date: 2005-11-03 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zufall.livejournal.com
The Russian dept. at my alma mater used this book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0415137926/102-1316426-6832922?v=glance
-- the 10,000 most frequent words, gathered by some computerized analysis of texts. I didn't actually use that book but heard it's useful, particularly as you'll come across words you'd've thought you should've known.

Frequency

Date: 2005-11-03 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viric.livejournal.com
Two days ago I sent a post to the list letting know about a list I got ready to print of russian words, sorted by frequency: http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/tmp/cxiuj-motoj.pdf

I got the words from this source: http://www.artint.ru/projects/frqlist/frqlist-en.asp

My post was removed from the community 10 minutes later. The moderator said:

"Advertizing websites or communities is prohibited by this community's rules, unless they're valuable linguistic resources (which this page isn't.)"

Maybe it will not be removed, and it will help you in some way. I personally printed by now the first page. And I've noticed there are words I _should_ know. Words I wanted to learn, but don't keep in my head, and I forgot later look for them in the dictionary.

Don't print the whole :) Only the first pages should help. But the file is not big. :)

Good luck!

Date: 2005-11-03 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] temcat.livejournal.com
Hey, that's "Выпей же, чада возлюбленная", not "выпей же яда, возлюбленная!"

Date: 2005-11-03 10:05 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Moreover, "пей" after "вы" is clearly photoshopped in.
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