Yes or no?

Sep. 9th, 2004 12:34 pm
[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_nikki/ posting in [community profile] learn_russian
Someone has asked me "ты не из России случайно?" ("You're not from Russia by any chance?", I think), would I respond with да (yes, that's right, I'm not) or нет (no, I'm not from Russia)?

Date: 2004-09-09 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eliebeth.livejournal.com
"нет"

Date: 2004-09-09 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olikk.livejournal.com
"да, из России"
"нет, не из России"

Date: 2004-09-09 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yorool-gui.livejournal.com
This is strange type of question which can be shortly answered only as 'no'. If you want to answer 'yes' to this, you have to explain it like "Да, я из России". Short answer "Да" may confuse questioner.

Date: 2004-09-09 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-gor.livejournal.com
just one word is never enough in such cases in Russian.
unlike English, you will alway have to explain what you mean with the full sentence.

Date: 2004-09-09 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lastpage.livejournal.com
But in this case a short "нет" will be enough.

Date: 2004-09-09 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-gor.livejournal.com
That's not really true.
There are languages normally prefer one over the other (like examples with English and Japanese that you gave).
And there are languages that don't. Russian and Blealrussian (both seem to be my native ones) are the case.

Date: 2004-09-09 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-gor.livejournal.com
I do not think so. I would ask again if somone replies just with "нет" to me in such case.

Date: 2004-09-09 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lastpage.livejournal.com
- Ты не из России случайно?
- Нет

Do you really mean that this answer is ambiguous?!
Can you really interpret it as "Yes, I'm from Russia"?

There are many similar questions which cannot be answered just by one "yes" or "no", for example, "Ты не любишь виноград?" ("Don't you like grapes?"), but this very case is pretty obvious if the answer is just "no".

Date: 2004-09-09 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-gor.livejournal.com
really.
just да / нет here sounds exactly as да / нет answer to alternative questions.

/me: puzzled, asking the same question again.

Нуууууу

Date: 2004-09-09 06:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papachka.livejournal.com
Egor, I believe that you are wrong in this one. The answer 'нет' clearly explains the situation - Lastpage is absolutely right here...

Date: 2004-09-09 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squodge.livejournal.com
I thought that Russian uses the negative as an 'emphasis tool', much in the same way that it's used in English?

~ squodge ~

Date: 2004-09-09 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
Answering a simple нет in this situation is totally enough. I couldn't imagine one's mind being so twisted that he/she would think that NO [I'm not from Russia] means YES [I'm from Russia]. I'm serious.

Date: 2004-09-09 07:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
Well, my native language is also Russian, and then what? I thereby do confirm that answering a simple нет in this situation perfectly fits. One may enhance the answer, BUT it is NOT MANDATORY.

Date: 2004-09-09 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-gor.livejournal.com
means I'm twisted beyond all recognintion :)

Date: 2004-09-09 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-evengar540.livejournal.com
Just say,
"Да нет!" :)))))))))))))

Date: 2004-09-09 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kahala.livejournal.com
Oh, now I'm confused. All the Russians I've known, including the Russians who taught me Russian, always told me that the correct answer in Russian to a negative question (eg 'ты не из России?') is the reverse of what it is in English - ie, your correct response in this case would be да. Unambiguously. They got quite vehement about it.
Is this not right? Does it make a difference if I say most of these people were from the V. Novgorod region? Or have I been going among mad people...?

Date: 2004-09-09 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] verucanato.livejournal.com
I feel like I've heard people ask those yes/no questions opposite of what someone would say in Mexican/Californian Spanish:
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I feel like I've heard people ask those yes/no questions opposite of what someone would say in Mexican/Californian Spanish:
Russian <<Tы не из России случайно, да?>> with the <<да>> at the end, versus
Spanish "You're from Mexico, no?"

Does anyone have any idea what I'm thinking of?

And I think for the sake of clarity I would respond with a full sentence, to let the questioner know that I did understand their question.

Date: 2004-09-13 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaelselehov.livejournal.com
Well, there shouldn't be any big difference in such situation. Normally, simple "да" can confuse, but 90% it would fit (meaning sure "yes, I'm from Russia"). In this case it's more safe to answer full. The probability of being correctly understood depends a lot on inflexion of question and context of previous dialog. For example:

- You're drinking so much! Are you not from Russia by any chance?

In this case simple "да" fits perfectly. Simple "нет" works all the time.

Date: 2004-09-13 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ta-kun.livejournal.com
В английском то же самое.
Меня это доставало когда-то на уроках английского - "blah-blah-blah, do you?" и то же самое, только с отрицанием "blah-blah-blah, don't you?"

Теперь о фразе "Tы не из России случайно?".
Я конечно не филолог, но порассуждаю. Отрицание "не" ставится в подкрепление слова "случайно". Тот, кто спрашивает, не уверен, что ты из России, поэтому как-бы ждет отрицательного ответа.

Date: 2004-09-21 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] guimon.livejournal.com
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