ext_298469 ([identity profile] dudeapathy.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] learn_russian2007-10-30 10:54 am

Participle question

I'm in my fourth year and still trying to understand how participles work...

Is it possible to have participles strung together in a sentence? For example, could one say:
"Проходя мимо кафе я замечаю то, что книгу читаемую мальчиком сидящий в углу, одна из моих любимых", which uses both active and passive participles? Would a sentence like that make sense?

[identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com 2007-10-31 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
You are stubborn, but I am much worse, believe me.

Rosenthal, Современный русский язык -- the very book you claim to know so well.

Chapter 15. Лексика межстилевая и функционально закрепленная, стилистически нейтральная и экспрессивно окрашенная (http://www.hi-edu.ru/e-books/xbook107/01/part-007.htm#i842). Read it through, and then show me where exactly Rosenthal claimed that the stylistically charged lexemas tend to drift from one style to another. I'd say he wrote quite the opposite.

Golub, Русский язык и культура речи (another university textbook)

Chapter 1.2.2. Книжные стили русского языка (http://www.hi-edu.ru/e-books/xbook083/01/part-003.htm#i460)
Морфология книжных стилей характеризуется явным предпочтением именам существительным перед глагольными формами; частым употреблением причастий и деепричастий; использованием количественных и порядковых числительных при почти полном отсутствии собирательных; избирательным отношением к местоимениям (отказом от личных и большинства неопределенных местоимений и употреблением относительных, указательных).

[identity profile] dp-maxime.livejournal.com 2007-10-31 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
You have confused again, - you provided the link to Modern Russian by N. S. Valgina, not by D. Rosenthal...
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[identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com 2007-10-31 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh come on. This thing, Golub-Telenkova, on your picture -- it's not even a university textbook (университетский учебник) -- it is a DISTANCE EDUCATION HANDBOOK! (учебное пособие для студентов заочного обучения). Condensed crap :)

What I quote is the university textbook (http://www.hi-edu.ru/e-books/xbook107/01/about.htm) - Valgina, Rosenthal, Fomina: Современный русский язык --- which is Nina Valgina's 2000s edition of Rosenthal's classic 1980s textbook.

[identity profile] dp-maxime.livejournal.com 2007-10-31 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Your textbook even have no recommendation as manual and it printed not by Высшая школа, nor by Русский Язык publishing house :)

[identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com 2007-10-31 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Nonsense. Up to the 5th edition, Valgina-Rosenthal textbook WAS in Высшая школа. What's scanned by that online library I gave links to, was the 2002 reprint by Логос which inherited the former Университетская книга brand. FYI, Логос has full accreditation and not only "approved," but downright "recommended" label from the Ministry of Education for New University Library and 21th Century Textbooks series. Know what I mean?

:)

[identity profile] dp-maxime.livejournal.com 2007-10-31 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Every recommended book must have appropriate notice on it, whatever accreditation the publishing house have.